This past Thursday, Americans bore witness to the gruesome events that occurred at the Fort Hood Army Base in Texas. The news surrounded a soldier, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 13 and wounded another 29 people.
Mass shootings like this and the ones at Virginia Tech and Columbine High School usually involve a perpetrator with a history of social isolation, violence and a desire for vengeance. But the Fort Hood case is different in one extremely significant aspect: Hasan was an Army psychiatrist who aided soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder. According to sources, it was the news of his upcoming deployment that caused him to commit this horrific act.
The media is currently dissecting every alternative theory of the killings, including a proposal that the shooting had al-Qaida or 9/11 links. But no TV personality is asking the simple question: Why would a non-combative psychiatrist be nervous about deployment to the point that he would go on a shooting spree on his own military base? The media has refused to acknowledge the underlying issue, which, in this case, is the mental effect that Iraq and Afghanistan is having on our nation's brave men and women.
Post-traumatic stress disorder, according to Erica Goode of The New York Times, is the "second, psychological war at home." Hasan dealt with soldiers who had this disorder on a daily basis; he must have heard terrible stories from mothers, fathers, sons and daughters who were on the verge of mental breakdown. Another New York Times columnist, Bob Herbert, wrote about the destructive effects of the widespread disorder: "The caseloads are off the charts" of instances where PTSD has led to "substance abuse, problems with anger management, domestic violence and family breakdown."
We've now had soldiers on the ground in Iraq for six years and in Afghanistan for eight. With a vague mission in mind and a military force full of soldiers made to fight on their second, third and fourth tours of duty, it is no surprise that the Army recorded the highest tally of soldier suicides last summer since record keeping began. According to recent estimates, 35 percent of returning soldiers from Iraq will suffer from PTSD, and there is a similar percentage in Afghanistan. With a force of 1.7 million Americans serving in these wars, more than 600,000 soldiers could be affected by the disorder.
I was significantly depressed when I was scanning news on The Daily Beast the other day. One article about Afghanistan was headlined "Obama to Add 34,000 Troops" and an article directly below it was titled "Is There a 9/11 Link to Fort Hood?" The blatant catch-22 seemed to jump off the computer screen, for the latter's true subject directly correlated with the former's decision.
The inhumanity of war's relation to soldiers' PTSD cannot be more perfectly portrayed than the massacres of Fort Hood, and for President Obama to add an additional 34,000 troops to the quagmire known as Afghanistan is nonsensical. The welfare of a constituency of citizens who put their lives on the line every day and deserve, at the very least, the best possible treatment our country could possibly give them should be on the president's mind instead.
John Bissell
Nov 11, 2009
6:02 a.m.
This might make some sense if Hasan had ever been in combat.
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
12:16 p.m.
I wonder what percentage of PTSD sufferers go out and kill and wound dozens of people as Hasan has done? I'll be it is a very small percentage, and I'll bet it is less than 1/100th of a percent for non-combatants like Hasan.
To assume there is a connection between a non-combatant like Hasan, and PTSD, and his act of multiple killings seems remarkably far-fetched. Especially so when after doing a little bit of research we can find hundreds of cases of Muslims, like Hasan, killing and wounding just as he did for no reason other than their Islamic beliefs. In fact many of these killers also shout out "Allah Akbar" during their murderous rage just as Hasan did. PTSD or Islamist madness? You tell me.
Why would anyone assume that a devout Muslim, who has many affiliations with Jihadist material, who shouts out "Allah Akbar" while killing Americans is suffering from anything other than taking Mohammed's teachings to heart?
Sulayman
Nov 11, 2009
6:25 a.m.
Well put! This is a very good article and I think you've hit on something that seems to be escaping the media's attention. The suicide rate among soldiers is sky-high.
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
10:41 a.m.
John,
Did I read your article correctly? Are you suggesting a "Doctor" who had never seen combat duty killed 13 people because of PTSD? If so, I'd be curious as to how you rationalize the points made in the following article in regards to Hasan's mass murder?
At his blog today, Andrew Bostom, a scholar of jihadism, cites the following passage from "Reliance of the Traveler," a widely distributed manual of Islamic law produced by al-Azhar University in Egypt, the most authoritative interpreters of theology and sharia jurisprudence in Sunni Islam, the dominant tradition among the world's Muslims:
Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and, is etymologically derived from the word, mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion [of Islam]...The scriptural basis for jihad is such Koranic verses as "Fighting is prescribed for you" (Koran 2:216); "Slay them wherever you find them" (Koran 4:89); "Fight the idolators utterly" (Koran 9:36); and such hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] as the one related by (Sahih) Bukhari and (Sahih) Muslim that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: "I have been commanded to fight people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the rights of Islam over them. And the final reckoning is with Allah"; and the hadith by (Sahih) Muslim, "To go forth in the morning or evening to fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and everything in it."
As Dr. Bostom points out, the first hadith referred to in the passage -- the one in which Mohammed explains that Allah has commanded the Muslims to fight non-Muslims -- was cited by Nidal Hasan in slide 43 of the June 7, 2007 presentation that Jonah discusses in his excellent column today.
Not to beat a dead horse on this, but in 2001, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an al-Azhar graduated doctor of Islamic jurisprudence who is the spiritual guide of the Muslim Brotherhood and the most influential Sunni cleric in the world, issued a fatwa approving suicide bombings against Israel. In 2003, with the male jihadists being caught too often before they could strike, Qaradawi expanded the fatwa to approve suicide bombings by women. In 2004, he issued a fatwa calling for the killing of American troops in Iraq, and later expanded this authorization to include the killing of American civilian support personnel. (As Qaradawi put it: "All of the Americans in Iraq are combatants, there is no difference between civilians and soldiers, and one should fight them, since the American civilians came to Iraq in order to serve the occupation. The abduction and killing of Americans in Iraq is a [religious] obligation so as to cause them to leave Iraq immediately.")...
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
10:58 a.m.
John,
Just to be clear I am NOT a supporter of having American troops in the Middle East.
That said I completely disagree with your belief that by pulling our troops out of the Middle East it will make any difference whatsoever in Muslims behavior toward America. I take the Islamic religion at face value, i.e., Jihad is part and parcel of Islam. Having troops in the Middle East makes no difference. Islam will wage jihad regardless.
In support of my argument how else can you explain the following acts of wardare by Muslims as none of these have anything to do with "troops in the Middle East"?
1) 4,000 Buddhist killed in Southern Thailand since 2004 by Islamists.
2) Islamists stirring up problems and violent confrontations in Western China.
3) Islamists stirring up problems and violent confrontations in Southern Russia...including killing over a hundred grammar school children in Beslan.
4) Sudan genocide. Islamist killing off what remians of the Animst and Christian community in Sudan.
5) Anarchy in Somalia resulting in all non-Muslims being killed or fleeing for their safety.
6) Kashmir in a constant state of insecurity thanks to Muslim/Hindu differences.
7) Coptic Christians in Egypt. One of Christianities oldes communites is being slowly eliminated from their original home because of Muslim's intolerance. The same thing is happening to the Chaldean Christian community in Mosul, Iraq.
8) Lebanon's Christian community has gone from 60% to 30% of that countries population as they are being driven out by Islamists.
I could go on, but you get my point. How are any of these conflicts connected to anything you write in your column? The only theme that is consistent between all these prolems is Islam, not America having troops in the Middle East.
Here's some Jeffersonian history for you:
>>In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. [2] [3]
Jefferson reported the conversation to Secretary of State John Jay, who submitted the Ambassador's comments and offer to Congress. Jefferson argued that paying tribute would encourage more attacks.<<
Frank Gorial
Nov 11, 2009
12:08 p.m.
RE: John Surico
I disagree with Mr. John Surico explanation and analysis. Nidhal Hassan more likely had other motives than being "stressed out". The odds for a Muslim recruit to kill 13 (14 if you count the embryo of the dead lady soldier). All the other "stressed out" soldiers elected to commit suicide but only two (not a coincidence, folks) who were Muslims chose to kill American Soldiers that were in the same "foxhole" as they were. One in Kuwait who threw a grenade into a tent and now, this cowardly act by another fanatic. I am not saying, Islam is a bad Religion, it is the fact that fanaticism is a Religion GO BAD" via the hateful teachings of the Imams. It is not the duty of the USA to fight these traitors, but the Muslim World has to clean its reputation by denouncing and monitoring such murderous teachings on its land and abroad.
Islam was an honorable Religion, now, it has branched into teachings that are nothing close to the teachings of Real Islam.
Our duty here is not to find excuses of mental stress for killers but to wait for investigations results to analyze the true reasons behind this cowardly act. Our duty is simple, encourage a dialog with these groups and meanwhile, the armed forces have to cleanse itself from such fanatic Christian, Jewish and/ or Muslim groups that can spell disaster in the future.
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
12:51 p.m.
Frank,
I think some of what you say is spot on, but some of it I think is wrong.
There is no question at all that Islam was founded by a prophet, Mohammed, who killed, raped, enslaved and practiced other forms of sadisitic acts to help spread Islam. He taught and encouraged his followers to do the same. The Koran and Hadiths are littered with passages deatiling this. It is not ambiguous, nor is it in question.
Islam is unique among the religions in this respect. Jesus Christ was not a killer. Buddha was not a rapist, Moses was enslaved he did not enslave others. Only in Islam do we find the relgion's founding Prophet as someone who both engaged in these cruel acts and preached them too.
MaryAnn
Nov 11, 2009
2:20 p.m.
We need more people in the world with minds like Ali's.
Liz
Nov 11, 2009
2:47 p.m.
Ali:
You're talking about Jesus, Buddha, and Moses as if they are historically REAL characters. There is absolutely NO evidence (including timely texts) to support any of their existences. There is no use comparing the "character" of a group of fictional religious founding fathers.
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
4:59 p.m.
Thanks MaryAnn. I appreciate your kind words.
Ali
Nov 11, 2009
5:13 p.m.
Liz,
Whether they are real people or not is not the point, in my opinion. Fictional characters can be as real as non-fictional characters. Often times our professors use fictional characters to illustrate points and/or as examples of evil vs. good.
Shakespeare did this and people are still devoting endless hours analyzing his fictional characters.
Whether Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha were real or not doesn't matter one bit. People still use their lives and the examples they set. Hasan yelled out "Allah Akbar" as he killed and wounded dozens. Whether he was shouting out to a fictional or real person doesn't matter to those killed.
Frank Gorial
Nov 11, 2009
6:22 p.m.
LIZ
I respect your view and in fact I agree with you totally. The prophets you listed (including Moses) were fictional and Religion was introduced to implement some laws to avoid caos and murder. I was born Catholic and did go to church to meet other people but I knew I was following fiction and broad imagination to promote peace and harmony.
Religion has been the originator of 90% of Evil in this World. In Europe, the Northern Ireland issue in two advanced European Countries (UK and Ireland), In Pakistan and India, Moslems against Hindu's , in the Middle East, Shiaat against Sunni, In the Arab World, Muslims persecuting Christians and Jews, in Palastine, Jews against Christians and Muslims, In China...... so on
The topic of Religion is very sensitive because there are many people who use Religion to be "good" or abuse it to make money. The poor remains poor and the rich gets richer in EVERY Religion. Religion today is based on power and $$$$ depending on how many brainwashed and blind folded people follow the teachings and interpretations of Imams, Ministers, Priests etc.
Ali's response is admirable and I agree with his analysis.
Wish that our Government can think like some of the posters without any political pitches.
Chris
Nov 11, 2009
8:36 p.m.
Amen, Ali. Amen. You're logic and clarity of understanding on this issue is refreshing.
Andrew
Nov 12, 2009
2:16 a.m.
There is a lot of violence in America. In fact right after Fort Hood, some guy in Florida went on a shooting spree. And there was another in Washington. And 11 bodies were discovered in a man's apartment in Cleveland. It's completely ridiculous to attribute this shooting solely to Islam. Around 14 years ago there was another massacre at Fort Brag which wounded more soldier, committed by a Christian.
Also it is certainly possible for a doctor to develop PTSD from hearing about traumatic experiences.
Soldiers during the Vietnam War often "fragged" their officers. I doubt religion played any role in that.
I urge you all to check out this article on these tragedies: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-11-07/americas-mass-murder-addiction/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL3
Molly
Nov 12, 2009
12:26 p.m.
I think the significance of this article is being missed.
Coming from someone who has a fiancee in the military, it is not an understatement to connect PTSD and the stress of deployment to violent acts such as this. There have been more troop casualties due to suicides than there have been casualties in combat. It is extremely difficult to translate these stresses into the civilian world. Most telling, the general reaction on my fiancee's base towards this attack was that they could understand why Hasan did it. Undoubtedly there was a cultural connection: how is one supposed to feel about being sent to war against his brothers in faith? Can anyone imagine how much anguish and stress he felt over this paradox?
But the point is not whether Hasan had mental health issues or was a radical Islamist. The point is that the way the media has spun this event- as an Islamic attack with connections to 9/11- completely ignores the very real and serious issues that lead soldiers to commit such violent acts, both against themselves and others.
And one final note- these homicidal acts are not so uncommon. Most often they happen between soldiers and their spouses- at incredibly alarming rates. While I was at Fort Lewis this summer a soldier walked into a store on base and shot and killed his ex-wife before turning the gun on himself. This happened just shortly after a new recruit committed suicide during a navigation exercise. But these events don't make it into the news. Regardless of the ideology behind the violence, one cannot deny that it is alarmingly widespread.
Ali
Nov 12, 2009
3:49 p.m.
Molly,
"...how is one supposed to fell about being sent to war against his brothers in faith?"
So are you saying he would rather kill his non-brothers than kill his brothers? If so then you do understand the Koran as that is exactly what it teaches Muslims.
"Can anyone imagine how much anguish and stress he felt over this paradox?"
Get off your soapbox Molly. Think of the stress of those loved ones who have lost a husband, father, mom or sibling. And, by the way Molly, why is it you suppose Muslims do not feel this "andguish and stress" when they murder one another with wild abandon? Look at the tens of thousands of black muslims murdered by Arab-looking Muslims in Darfur. Look at the 1,000,000 Muslims killed by fellow Muslims during the Iran/Iraq War. Look at the thousands and thousands of Muslims killed by their fellow Muslims in Shia/Sunni homicide bombings over the last five years and tell me again about how sensitive Muslims are about killing their brothers.
"...these homicdal attacks are not so uncommon."
No doubt. I'm sure you can tell us specific examples of twenty of these "homicidal attacks" where 40+ military personnel were killed or wounded by a fellow military officer. Why don't you list off a dozen of these "not so uncommon" attacks just to humor us.
Alex
Nov 12, 2009
11:07 p.m.
Ali, How about the Bosnian war and the ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands of Muslims by the Serbs in Srebenica?
You can't possibly prove that the atrocious acts of violence by BOTH Muslims AND Christians haven't evened themselves out! Ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? The pogroms of Jews in Russia by Orthodox Christians? The massacre of millions of Jews by the Nazis, who ascribed to the CHRISTIAN religion. How about the pogroms and expulsion of the Jews from nearly every Christian nation in Europe up through the 19th century?
All of this from your peace loving Jesus religion! Doesn't that make it even more sickening that these Christians were able to massacre millions for the sake of their peaceful Jesus?
Ali
Nov 13, 2009
11:27 a.m.
Alex,
You miss the point of what I'm saying. Mohammed was a mass murderer. His words to his followers was to expand Islam at any cost. If it took murdering, raping, torture, whatever it took it was OK to do it in the cause of Islam's expansion.
Sure. The horrors of Christianity are legion. But they are rarely acted out in the name of Jesus. And when they are they are perverting Jesus' teachings. Jesus did not practice nor preach hatred. He turned the other cheek.
Islam institutionalizes hatred, it is like Nazism in that it is a supremacist religion/philosophy/whatever. Christiainity, despite its frequent history of lapses, is not a religion based on violence or whose spiritual leader practiced violence.
Why can't you understand this important difference? When Hasan killed a baker's dozen he shouted out "Allah Akbar". When the Pakistani killed 7 today and wounded 35 in Peshawar today he did it to honor Mohammed's teachings. Do you understand this dufference? If not what questions or challenges with it do you have?
Frank Gorial
Nov 11, 2009
6:11 p.m.
My friend Ali
I lived in the Middle East and did hear what you are talking about. I recognize and compliment your knowledge about Islam. In many ways, I was trying to be civil in not attacking the Religion and its founder because I am using my real name and have colleagues who taught at the University who were Muslims.
However, I can tell you that while I lived in Iraq for 5 years as a contractor from 1975-1981 I lived in peace with Muslims, young Ladies wore short skirts at the college I taught at, I bought Whiskey at the stores lining Raheed street, went to a night club at Karada by the river and My neighbors were a mix of Shiaat and Sunni. I never thought that Iraq would turn into a blood bath under the name of Islam. The Church I attended has been torched and the Christian families that I knew are now immigrants in Jordan, Syria and Italy.
The Christians in the Middle East are the original inhabitants originating fro UUR, Acadia, Babylon and Ninevah and now, the immigrants from the Saudi Deserts are displacing them. My friend Ali, I really despise any fanatic, whether Jewish, Christian and/or Muslim. Remember Timothy McVeigh and all the Jewish sabotage and spying for Israel.
Should we discriminate against Muslims in the Military? I have no objection that in this Country if authorities sense a potential threat then they should act on it.
I think this disaster shows a failure in the "Homeland Security Plans" that were glorified by Tom Ridge, CIA and US Attorney Office plus the Military who should bear the majority.
Ali
Nov 13, 2009
11:47 a.m.
Thank you Frank. You've written a lot of ireally nteresting things here, but one thing sticks in my mind.
You wrote, "I was trying to be civil in not attacking the Religion and its founder because I am using my real name..."
Amazing! If by this you mean you fear for your safety than I understand completely. I've linked the following video before, but it addresses very clearly the threats people live under who do not "attack" Islam and its killer prophet so much as speak the truth about Islam and its killer prophet. Islam rules by fear and intimidation. That is why in every Islamic country, for instance, freedom of speech is not allowed.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/uk-muslim-protesters-threaten-geert-wilders-well-have-his-head.html
Ali
Nov 12, 2009
4:19 p.m.
Andrew the uber-apologist for all Muslim atrocities no matter how horrendous they are is up to his tricks again.
Andrew, in an impressive display of brilliance and insight writes, "There is a lot of violence in America." Duh. And there's a chance of sunshine in the Mohave Desert tomorrow too. Andrew, where you find people chances are you will find violence. And whether you want to admit it or not some cultrues breed violence while others --Quakers for instance-- do not.
Take Islam for instance. Have you read about Islam, Andrew? Have you read that Islam's prophet, Mohammed, killed, raped and committed genocide against non-Muslims so as to achieve total Islamic control of the Arabian Peninsula and beyond? Have you read that Mohammed taught this violent, supremacist, facist philosophy (religion?) to his followers? Or are you just another dope with an opinion about everything even when that "everything" is something you don't know a stitch about?
What is it about you Andrew. Why this need to continue to deny the nose on your face? Are you on Saudi Arabia's payroll like Jimmy Carter?
Sure there's lots of violence in America. But it pales in compaison to the violence seen in Islamic countries. Of course some Islamic countries do not have much violence because they're not so much countries as very big prisons. Take Saudi Arabia for example. People there no that if they "come out of the closet" they'll lose their head, so to speak. Or, if they say something like, "The Royal Family eats kaka" they will lose their head. Or, if they run around in a bathing suit shouting "Look at how cute I am" they will lose their head. Or, if they say, "Israel has a right to exist" they will.....You get my point Andrew. There's little violence that's visible in Saudi Arabia just like there's not a lot of violence in most maximum security prisons. Prisoners no that if they're bad boys or girls they'll lose their heads and they'd rather keep their heads even if prison life isn't exactly like going to a neaven where there are 21 vrigins welcoming your entry, no double entendre intended here.
That said I understand there's a ton of violence --behind the scenes-- in Saudi Arabia. Household help, for instance become slaves in Saudi Arabia --their passports stolen-- and are subject to beatings and sexual abuse. Amazingly enough the hundreds of skilled "investigative reporters" in Saudi Arabia have not reported on this topic because, and I'll bet you guessed it, the reporters will lose their heads if they do report on it.
Anyway, Andrew, your incessant spinning of Islam is amusing to me. I'm not going to let you get away with it and look at you as the "gift that keeps on giving."
There's too much violence in America and that is one of the by-products of a free society but when compared to a supremacist society --like all Islamic states- America looks like an idyllic paradise where everyone holds hands and sing happy songs.
Andrew
Nov 12, 2009
5:19 p.m.
How am I spinning anything? I made a coherent argument that these shootings are part of a consistent epidemic of mass murder that goes on this country. The Daily Beast article expressed my views a lot better than I can so I urge you all to check it out. Soldiers have mental breakdowns and shoot each other. It's a sign that our military is at the breaking point due to two endless wars; not that it's been infiltrated by radical Islamists. Do you think soldiers in Vietnam were fragging their officers because they were communists?
I talk about how there have been a lot of spree killings in America recently, and there have been shootings at military bases before. You go on some rant about how Saudi Arabia is a violent society. I am not arguing that we should be like Saudi Arabia! No one is! Would you dispute that there are more murders in the US, than say Canada or Holland?
Look, you're the one who can't spell, attributes characteristics to the whole based on single parts, and has some fanatical obsession with ranting about Islam on a school paper's website. Now you're making baseless ad hominem attacks against me. Could you possibly be any worse at making arguments or commit any more logical fallacies? How about linking to some more youtube videos? Again, do you have any connection with NYU? Do you even live in the New York Metropolitan Area? If you do, then I urge you to submit an article to the paper so more people will get a chance to read it. You clearly have a lot to say. Literally every single one of yours posts here is a novel about how Islam is bad.
Andrew
Nov 12, 2009
11:08 p.m.
I missed your line about me being the "gift that keeps on giving". Well, myself and every other reader of this site looks at you like the bigot who keeps on spouting moronic Bill O'Reily catchphrases. So thanks for the entertainment and crappy arguments.
BTW, I appreciate your comparison to Jimmy Carter...he did broker peace between the most powerful Arab nation and Israel. Thanks for that.
Alex
Nov 12, 2009
11:11 p.m.
Oh, and talk about rape? What about the brutal rape, torture and imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of Spanish Communist women after the Spanish Civil War in the name of Franco's Catholic regime?
Ali
Nov 13, 2009
11:31 a.m.
Andrew,
We've been through this stuff already, and I'm confident we will continue to debate this going forward.
That said, what is your concern about my affiliation with NYU? Are you saying if I'm not affiliated I should not contribute here? Are you saying if I'm not affiliated (no doubt using your definition of "affiliated") that my freedom to express myself is not valid? If this is the case than you're more than just an apologist for Islam, you also practice what they preach.
In any case, since you got such a rise out of my mentioning the "Saudi payroll" and Jimmy Carter I thought I'd provide you with one more link since you like them so much.
But before I do, what is your affiliation with Islam? LOL.
http://www.jcpa.org/text/apartheid.pdf
Andrew
Nov 13, 2009
1:23 p.m.
I work for the firm that does public relations Jimmy Carter and Hamas. That I've made the Hajj four times isn't relevant. I just think if you're so concerned about NYU, you should try and get something published in WSN.
Anyway, way to not to respond to any of my points and link to a pdf myself and no one will ever read.
Ali
Nov 13, 2009
3:22 p.m.
Strange. I challenged Andrew to provide documentation to support his far-fetched claims. I wonder why he did not respond. See below:
Nov 11, 2009
6:59 p.m.
Andrew wrote, "Did you know that by far the most suicide bombings were comitted by Hindus?"
Andrew, how can you expect to be taken seriously when you make statements like this without providing any mateerial to back it up. Every single day we read about another Islamic terrorist attack but I cannot remember the last time I read about a Hindu flying a plane into a high rise or blowing himself up while targeting tourists in a Mumbai hotel. Nor can I remember the last time I read about Hindus beheading a journalist or a civilian contractor while reading verses from the Upanishads.
It is becoming increasingly clear you are a snake oil salesman for Islam.
It has been my experience that people who make claims that "feel" outlandish and do not support the claims with any supporting documents then it is a good guess the claim is BS. Unless you provide supporting information on Hindus committing "...by far the most suicide bombings..." then I am left to believe you will make up whatever you think you can "sell" to win an argument. I call that deceit.
You do know Mohammed said "War is deceit", eh?
Andrew
Nov 13, 2009
5:49 p.m.
As I said, I work for a firm that does PR for Jimmy Carter and Hamas.
As for the Hindu suicide bombing comment, well you are truly ignorant. The Tamil Tigers invented suicide belts/suicide bombing. If you google "who committed the most suicide bombings" you get this result near the top: http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/usscole/jir001020_1_n.shtml which says that the Tamil Tigers (a Hindu group) were responsible for 168 suicide bombings between 1980 and 2000, more than three times as many as the second most prolific suicide bombers, Hezbollah. In fact, in that 20 year period they committed more than half the suicide attacks on record. Obviously you aren't too familiar with the Tamil Tigers because your knowledge of terrorism doesn't go beyond your myopic Islamaphobic view of the world.
Note: I used Jane's, a respected intelligence service as a source, not some random blog or youtube video.
Ali
Nov 16, 2009
10:11 a.m.
Great job of doing research Andrew. It's little wonder you work for Hamas. I would have guessed as much. Does Jimmy also work for Hamas?
It is also clever of you to isolate one Muslim group (Hezbollah) versus the Tamil Tigers while ignoring the dozens of other Muslim groups that reularlu carry out suicide bombings.
Gosh, do you think if one were to include the precious Hamas terrorists and the dozens of other Muslim terrorist groups your logic would still hold?
In the last five days in Peshawar three farily large scale suicide bombings have occurred killing and wounding over a hundred people. It is nice to know Hezbollah didn't do this. Was it the Tamil Tigers?
You're an amazing guy Andrew, but I have one serious question for you. How do you sleep at night?
Andrew
Nov 20, 2009
8:21 p.m.
Yes I work in the office next to Jimmy Carter and we plot the destruction of Israel together. Did you know his brokerage of peace between Egypt and Israel was actually just a plot to get Israel nuked in 2012 by Iran? It's true!
According to the whole table compiled by Jane's, which is 20 years of data (so there is not a small sample size issue), the Tamil Tigers committed more than twice as many suicide attacks as every Islamic group (Al-Qaeda in East Africa, PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.) combined. So yes, my logic (well not really logic, just basic math) would still hold. If you have an issue with Jane's, you should bring it up with the US military and tell them to stop contracting them to compile intelligence.
Re: Peshewar, don't you think there could be alternative explanation? Like that the pointless US war in Afghanistan has caused a great deal of spillover and violence into Pakistan? The Taliban and suicide bombing wasn't a problem there before the invasion.
Ali
Nov 25, 2009
6:20 p.m.
Andrew the apologist for everything Muslim writes,
"Peshewar, don't you think there could be alternative explanation? Like that the pointless US war in Afghanistan has caused a great deal of spillover and violence into Pakistan? The Taliban and suicide bombing wasn't a problem there before the invasion."
Andrew is a professional PR guy for Islam and never, ever admits Islam is ever at fault for anything. It's always someone esle's fault: America, Israel, colonialists, western decadencs, internationalsim, you name it.
Andrew blames all the murder and mayhen in Afghanistan and Pakistan on America. But America has nothing to do with the following examples of Islamic anarchy, hatred, warfare and murder:
1) 4,000 Buddhists killed in southern Thailand by Islamists as they froce their way north.
2) Russian school children killed by Islamists in southern Russia because they were NOT Muslim.
3) Chinese living in western China under constant pressure from Muslims encroaching on Chinese land.
4) Black Muslims, Christians and Animists being mercilessly murdered and forced from their homes by Arab-looking Muslims.
5) Coptic Christians being murdered in Egypt.
6) Australians being murdered in discos in Bali by Muslims.
7) UN employees being killed in Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran Pakistan and Afghanistan by Muslims.
Andrew what are all the excuses you can come up with to explain Islam's murderous rampages all across the globe? Is it America's fault? Israel's, colonialist's?
Why is it that the common thread in all of this is Islam but it's never Islam's fault?
Ali
Nov 25, 2009
6:27 p.m.
Andrew,
DId Muslims behead the following people because of America's policies in Israel?
Christian extremists behead two Russian officials -- no, wait...
It was Islamic jihadists again, oddly enough. Everyone knows that all religions have their fanatics and extremists and they're all equally dangerous, yet those Christian beheaders remain inconveniently quiet. "Russian officials beheaded in N. Caucasus-Ifax," from Reuters, November 24:
MOSCOW, Nov 24 (Reuters) - A police investigator and a court bailiff were found beheaded in a car trunk in Russia's mainly Muslim region of Kabardino-Balkaria, Interfax said on Tuesday, underscoring spreading violence on Russia's southern flank.
The killings follow a spate of attacks on power stations and police posts in Kabardino-Balkaria, which is close to the Ingushetia region where rights group say Islamist militants and government forces are effectively at war.
The two beheaded men were discovered in a Mercedes late on Monday in the town of Chegem, about 10 km (six miles) north of the regional capital Nalchik, the news agency reported, citing law enforcement services....
Ali
Nov 25, 2009
6:30 p.m.
Andrew,
Whose fault is this???????????????????????
Obama reaches out to Philippine jihadists
As Weasel Zippers says: "What a disgrace. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) has been responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Christians in the areas it controls, beheadings, numerous terrorist attacks etc. not that this would bother Obama...."
"Obama sends letter to Philippine Muslim rebel leader," from Deutsche Presse Agentur, November 14:
Manila - US President Barack Obama has sent a letter to the leader of the main Muslim rebel group in the Philippines, a guerrilla official said Saturday.
The letter to Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) chairman Murad Ibrahim was delivered to rebel peace negotiators by Deputy Assistant State Secretary Scot Marciel, according to Muhammad Ameen, chairman of the MILF secretariat.
Ameen said Marciel and two other US diplomats met MILF peace negotiators headed by Mohagher Iqbal on November 6.
Ameen did not disclose the contents of the letter but said it was a response to a letter Murad sent to Obama after he won the election last year.
On Friday, US State Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton urged the Philippine government and the MILF to conclude a peace deal before the end of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo's term next year....
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